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Mickey
04-14-2007, 05:48 PM
I mentioned this on another thread, but I'm feeling sad and need to post about it.

I haven't been close with her for quite a while now. She just completely drained me as she was so delusional and totally consumed by her distorted perspective. She thought everyone treated her badly--she would ask people who didn't agree with her why they were "attacking" her. She said that her husband abused her (but he did not--he just wouldn't get sucked into her stuff and that infuriated her). If anyone disagreed with her in any way, she felt attacked and abused.

Anyway, I tried to be a good friend. I tried to be there for her without feeding her delusions. But it eventually got to be too much. I'd tell her what she didn't want to hear and she'd pull away. The last time she pulled away, she left a message a few weeks later, but I didn't return her call.

Her husband left her. He went to help his mother with their family business after his father died and it was only supposed to be for a few months, but it ended up being permanent. And he ended up with custody of the kids.

She turned to her church, which was a UU church (kind of an umbrella for alternative religions/beliefs). And when she went on to them about how awful her husband and mother were, they didn't know her husband and mother (like I did and like her other friends who knew she was mentally ill) and while their intentions were good, they made things worse by feeding her delusions and ill-advising her. This woman was about to seek mental help (which she so desperately needed and all her friends (myself included) told her she needed to get) and her husband said that if she did get help, he would work on their marriage--but the church people talked her out of it, saying she didn't need help, she needed to get away from the horrible people in her life (the ones who were trying to help her).

She got progressively worse and her husband kept talking to her and trying to get her to go for help. She talked about suicide for a couple of weeks leading up to her death and on Good Friday, her husband was on the phone with her and she was talking about killng herself again. Again, he told her she needed to get help. Then he told her he was going to call the police so she can get help. She told him that if he called the police, she'd do it. He hung up with her and called the police. The police went to the door, identified themselves, and heard a gunshot.

No one planned a memorial service for her, so a friend planned it and it's tonight at her church. The husband and mother won't go (because of how they feel about the church people).

Anyway...I'm just feeling so sad. The kids seem ok with it, her estranged husband said he was actually relieved and that it makes his life easier, her mother had Good Will take all her clothes within 24 hours of her death, her pets were taken to the animal shelter, her jewelry was left at the pawn shop (she pawned it before her death and it's being left there). I told her husband that I have some photos of her and he said he didn't want them--that they have lots of photos. He said their 8 yo daughter wants to know when he'll remarry. Their 9 yo son seems indifferent.

It just feels like she's going to be erased from this life. Forgotten. I know that she made it hard for people to embrace her--if you didn't jump on her bandwagon with her, she alienated you--but it's still so sad. They're clearing the house, selling it, they got rid of all her personal belongings and they're moving on. And her church and friends will move on and life will go on and she'll be forgotten.

I'm hoping this service will help me to feel better. At first I was shocked, couldn't believe it, and so sad, imagining how devastated her kids must be (and her husband, even though they were separated). But I saw them yesterday and they just seem ok with it...like it was just another day. I really hope it just hasn't sunk in, but I think this is it.

Maybe when people deal with someone who is so mentally ill, who suffered so much, it's like when someone dies after a long, horrible bout with cancer or something--like a relief that they're out of their misery? I just don't know. I don't get it.

I'm sad. I keep wondering if someone could have gotten her to go for help, if they really pushed her or if someone could have had her committed--maybe some medication could have helped her to be happy and she'd still be here. I know she didn't want help and didn't think she needed it, but it just seems like such a waste of a life.

I don't plan to speak tonight. I have no idea what to say. I can't even imagine what others will say. I've never known someone who committed suicide before. It's a sick feeling.

Cathy
04-14-2007, 06:29 PM
Mickey, I have nothing to offer you but my sincere condolences. What an awful thing! I hope her dh and children find real peace. The shock must be overwhelming.

I'm so sorry. I think the questions you ask are valid, but I'm not sure there could be a satisfying answer.

Leigh
04-14-2007, 08:05 PM
(((Mickey))) I am so sorry that you have to deal with this loss. I hope everyone can find some sort of peace and comfort.

RCT
04-14-2007, 08:26 PM
Oh Mickey, sorry for your loss.

I understand your questions and agree with Cathy, that they might never be answered for you.....((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))

I will pray for her children and her husband that they truely find peace with all this.....

Diane
04-14-2007, 09:40 PM
How incredibly sad. :( I'm supposing everyone is still in shock at what happened. It's hard enough when you loose someone due to natural causes... but it's so much harder to deal with when you know that it was something she wanted and chose to do. Everyone has their own way of dealing with a loss... and maybe this is the only way her family knows how to deal with what happened. I'm so sorry for your loss, and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. ((((MICKEY))))

KarlaB
04-15-2007, 08:47 AM
{{{Mick}}} I am so sorry for your loss and the unanswered questions. Loss is difficult enough as it is, so circumstances like hers certainly don't make it any easier. :(

I hope those around her children do make sure they are truly okay with things - it just seems unreal that they wouldn't suffer or have any hidden issues they are trying to deal with or 'cover'. kwim? (Not sure if I am wording this right.) Just worry about those kids and regardless of how they seem to appear, they lost their mom and stable or not - she was their mom and losing her is bound to impact their lives and I just hope their dad and others around them don't minimize their loss just because she had issues.

Enough of my rambling. Sorry for your loss.

btw - How did the memorial service go?

AnnW
04-15-2007, 09:12 AM
Maybe when people deal with someone who is so mentally ill, who suffered so much, it's like when someone dies after a long, horrible bout with cancer or something--like a relief that they're out of their misery? I just don't know. I don't get it..
i think that's exactly what it is. they HAVE been dealing with a horrible cancer. Now the person suffering from the cancer is cured.



I'm sad. I keep wondering if someone could have gotten her to go for help, if they really pushed her or if someone could have had her committed--maybe some medication could have helped her to be happy and she'd still be here. I know she didn't want help and didn't think she needed it, but it just seems like such a waste of a life..
she had to want help. no one can force someone to get it.



I've never known someone who committed suicide before. It's a sick feeling.

unfortuntatly, i have (and more than once). it is a sick feeling. fortunately, my denomination believes that it doesn't matter how one dies but only that they believed and trusted in Jesus and they will go to heaven. (i know others don't.) Hopefully hers does.
When our friend committed suicide last month, here are some things that our minister said that brought me some comfort.

"It does us or her no good to do the 'what if's', the 'i should have's'. We will never know the demons that troubled her soul. All we do know for sure is she is no longer hurting, no longer in pain. We have a loving Lord who has welcomed her into his arms, is holding her, easing her pain and making her feel whole again. In so many ways, it's worse for us left here. We are the ones left hurting and in pain; asking so many questions. All we can do is trust the Lord to ease our pain too. We also need to know that for every action, God had a plan. Perhaps her suicide is to help us learn to seek help when needed, to trust in the Lord more, to trust in our friends more."

vea29
04-15-2007, 09:59 AM
Ann~ I could not have said that better...I was trying to think of how to respond and then read yours and said that exactly what I wanted to say.

Mickey~ All I can say is I'm sorry for your loss.

littlesista06
04-15-2007, 10:08 AM
Oh Mickey ((((((((hugs)))))))))
I am so sorry for your loss. I am at a loss for words after reading all the other girls have written so far....
How did the service go?

AnnW
04-15-2007, 11:01 AM
Ann~ I could not have said that better...I was trying to think of how to respond and then read yours and said that exactly what I wanted to say.

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i wish i could take credit, but those words were my minister's

Diane
04-15-2007, 11:45 AM
i wish i could take credit, but those words were my minister's

Which was the perfect thing for him to say... and so nice of you to pass on. :)

PamE
04-15-2007, 02:00 PM
{{{Mickey}}} I don't have the words, either. I'm just so sad for you, and her children. What an awful thing to be relieved, yet I have an inkling of how it might be so.

Mickey
04-15-2007, 02:54 PM
Thank you, guys. I appreciate your support. And Ann, that was beautiful--thank you for sharing it.

The service was nice--but it was small and it felt weird that no family members or long-time friends were there (everyone there had only known her a few years). Several people spoke and it seems we all had the same experiences with her. One woman told me before the service that she and J were not speaking because two weeks ago, J told her that she was going to kill herself and this woman told her to PLEASE go see someone about her mental health problem--that she really needed professional help. J took this as the woman calling her crazy and they never spoke again. So, this was a recurring theme with J.

The woman who lead the service lit candles for J and spoke about her and then gave an analogy that was very accurate--she said that it was like we were all on a cruise ship together and J fell overboard. She called for help and we threw her a rope. But she wouldn't grab on to the rope--she wanted us to jump in and save her; she wanted someone to swim with her to shore. But, being the self-preserving humans that we are, we would not jump, knowing that if we were to jump, we would likely drown, too.

J's husband gave a similar analogy the other day, while we were at the restaurant. He said that it was like running a marathon with J and she trips, twists her ankle, and falls. You go back and help her up and put your arm around her, intending to help her the rest of the way to cross the finish line. But she doesn't want your arm around her--she wants you to carry her the rest of the way. That was SO her. She didn't want your help, she wanted to to do it for her.

I also read at a site online about how people may look at the survivors and think they aren't mourning or whatever, but that people handle suicide differently and that you really should try not to assume intentions or try to interpret the meaning of their actions in a case like this. Those kids (and her husband) have a lifetime ahead of them of various emotions. I just hope they have the support they need to work through them all.

Again, I appreciate all your kind words. I don't feel like it was necessarily "my" loss because I hadn't been in touch with her for quite a while, but I do appreciate your support--I was feeling so sad yesterday, but I do feel a lot better today, thanks to your replies.

BevJ
04-15-2007, 03:09 PM
Mickey, sorry to read about your friend.

kat
04-15-2007, 04:09 PM
Mickey, I am sorry to read about your friend. How very tragic!

Melody
04-15-2007, 05:47 PM
(((Mickey))) I am sorry for your loss.

Beth/TX
04-16-2007, 04:06 PM
How sad. :( I hope her kids are truly able to find peace with this.