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    Pinning down the use of the terms supper and dinner is complicated by historical, regional, and class differences. And I'm sure my general statements will be contradicted by individuals or families who don't follow the usual customs.

    It used to be the custom for workers to eat a big midday meal, called "dinner," and a lighter meal in the evening, called "supper." The dinner hour varied a great deal; for example, the American colonists ate this main meal at about 2 or 3 p.m. In the early part of the 19th century, many workers, especially in urban areas, began eating a lighter midday meal, originally called "luncheon," then shortened to "lunch." (Before this time, "luncheon" was a midmorning snack). Though many members of the working class carried a "lunch pail/box" others continued to have a hot meal in a "dinner pail/bucket."

    So the word "supper" was originally associated with the working class, especially in rural areas. In the 20th century, "supper" became the term used by most Americans for a simple, informal evening meal with family. (If it was fancier, as on Christmas or Thanksgiving Day, it was called "dinner.") In contrast to the working class, the middle class, especially in urban areas, used the term "dinner" for this evening meal, as explained in the Dictionary of American English (1940): "The dinner hour is usually in the evening among business, professional, and leisured classes. In rural communities and among many of the working people of the cities dinner is at noon, and to apply the term to the evening meal is felt to be an affectation." However, in the last 50 or more years, the use of the term "supper" has declined, at least in reference to the main evening meal usually eaten between sunset and 9 p.m. ("Supper" is still widely used to refer to a meal in the very late evening, such as after the theater or just before bedtime.) So I would say that nowadays, most Americans, at least those who live in cities, call the evening meal "dinner," even if it is simple and informal. Dinner can be pizza or Chinese take-out on paper plates.

    Contrary to the prevailing American trend, big midday dinner and lighter evening supper is common in small Southern towns-the magazine Southern Living has a feature called "What's for Supper?" This custom is also followed in parts of the Midwest-for example, in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota-and it is a long-established tradition in New England. (Though some New Englanders use the term "dinner" for a fancy evening meal, and the term "lunch" for a midday meal or a snack in mid-morning or mid-afternoon. In Boston, "supper" is usually the main evening meal, but the term "dinner" can be used synonymously.)

    The Supper Book, by California cookbook author Marion Cunningham, tries to sort out the differences in the use of these terms: "...supper (as opposed to dinner) is a simple meal to put together, often from what's on hand; for the inexperienced cook, it is a less intimidating meal to undertake than a several-course dinner; for the health-minded, it is lighter fare to tuck away before bedtime."

    The terms dinner and supper are used in many fixed expressions. For example, "dinner parties" and "Sunday dinners" are fancy, but "Sunday suppers" usually refer to one-dish meals. "Church suppers" are evening social affairs, and "supper clubs" are attended late at night.

    The word dinner, meaning 'midday meal', was borrowed in the Middle English period from French dîner, noun use of dîner 'to dine, to eat the first big meal of the day'. In France before the Revolution, dinner was eaten in the morning. The French word comes from Latin elements meaning 'undo + fast',-the English word breakfast was similarly formed. The word supper is also first recorded in Middle English with the meaning 'evening meal', ultimately from an Old French verb meaning 'to eat the evening meal'. It is related to English sup and soup and may also be related to sip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnW
    Pinning down the use of the terms supper and dinner is complicated by historical, regional, and class differences. And I'm sure my general statements will be contradicted by individuals or families who don't follow the usual customs.

    It used to be the custom for workers to eat a big midday meal, called "dinner," and a lighter meal in the evening, called "supper." The dinner hour varied a great deal; for example, the American colonists ate this main meal at about 2 or 3 p.m. In the early part of the 19th century, many workers, especially in urban areas, began eating a lighter midday meal, originally called "luncheon," then shortened to "lunch." (Before this time, "luncheon" was a midmorning snack). Though many members of the working class carried a "lunch pail/box" others continued to have a hot meal in a "dinner pail/bucket."

    So the word "supper" was originally associated with the working class, especially in rural areas. In the 20th century, "supper" became the term used by most Americans for a simple, informal evening meal with family. (If it was fancier, as on Christmas or Thanksgiving Day, it was called "dinner.") In contrast to the working class, the middle class, especially in urban areas, used the term "dinner" for this evening meal, as explained in the Dictionary of American English (1940): "The dinner hour is usually in the evening among business, professional, and leisured classes. In rural communities and among many of the working people of the cities dinner is at noon, and to apply the term to the evening meal is felt to be an affectation." However, in the last 50 or more years, the use of the term "supper" has declined, at least in reference to the main evening meal usually eaten between sunset and 9 p.m. ("Supper" is still widely used to refer to a meal in the very late evening, such as after the theater or just before bedtime.) So I would say that nowadays, most Americans, at least those who live in cities, call the evening meal "dinner," even if it is simple and informal. Dinner can be pizza or Chinese take-out on paper plates.

    Contrary to the prevailing American trend, big midday dinner and lighter evening supper is common in small Southern towns-the magazine Southern Living has a feature called "What's for Supper?" This custom is also followed in parts of the Midwest-for example, in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota-and it is a long-established tradition in New England. (Though some New Englanders use the term "dinner" for a fancy evening meal, and the term "lunch" for a midday meal or a snack in mid-morning or mid-afternoon. In Boston, "supper" is usually the main evening meal, but the term "dinner" can be used synonymously.)

    The Supper Book, by California cookbook author Marion Cunningham, tries to sort out the differences in the use of these terms: "...supper (as opposed to dinner) is a simple meal to put together, often from what's on hand; for the inexperienced cook, it is a less intimidating meal to undertake than a several-course dinner; for the health-minded, it is lighter fare to tuck away before bedtime."

    The terms dinner and supper are used in many fixed expressions. For example, "dinner parties" and "Sunday dinners" are fancy, but "Sunday suppers" usually refer to one-dish meals. "Church suppers" are evening social affairs, and "supper clubs" are attended late at night.

    The word dinner, meaning 'midday meal', was borrowed in the Middle English period from French dîner, noun use of dîner 'to dine, to eat the first big meal of the day'. In France before the Revolution, dinner was eaten in the morning. The French word comes from Latin elements meaning 'undo + fast',-the English word breakfast was similarly formed. The word supper is also first recorded in Middle English with the meaning 'evening meal', ultimately from an Old French verb meaning 'to eat the evening meal'. It is related to English sup and soup and may also be related to sip.

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    Aren't you a plethora of information! lol Thanks for posting, very interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by angie r
    Aren't you a plethora of information! lol Thanks for posting, very interesting!

    i can google with the best of them! LOL

    actually, this conversation has come up with friends
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCT
    just wondering when you all eat....
    Right now it's usually round 7 or 7:30 .Thankfully dh has taken over making supper during the week.
    During the summer months it will probably be closer to 8 since dh will be working later than I will. When dh worked on the farm I would feed the kids around 6 and dh wouldn't be home to eat until 8 or 9. When fertilizer season starts he'll probably be keeping those kinds of hours again.

    We try to do quicker meals like spaghetti, goulash, burgers, etc. that we can get made in about a half hour. On the weekends when I cook we have bigger meals like fried chicken, potatoes, gravy, corn, rolls.
    Speaking of which I need to get the burgers grilled for dinner.
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    I usually like to eat around 5:30, but it doesn't always happen. It's rare that it's past 6:30 and the kids are complaining loudly if it gets close to 7:00!
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