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    Remember when

    Ann (and not pointing fingers or anything) was unaware of Canadian troops in Afghanistan/whereever...I found this article in my email...

    A British news paper salutes Canada . . . this is a good read. It
    is funny how it took someone in England to put it into words...
    Sunday Telegraph Article From today's UK wires: Salute to a brave and
    modest nation - Kevin Myers, The Sunday Telegraph LONDON -
    Until the deaths of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan ,
    probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops are deployed in the region. And as always, Canada will bury
    its dead, just as the rest of the world, as always will forget
    its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever
    does.

    It seems that Canada 's historic mission is to come to the selfless
    aid both of its friends and of complete strangers, and then, once the
    crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored.
    Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the
    hall, waiting for someone to come and ask her for a dance. A fire breaks
    out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance-goers, and suffers
    serious injuries. But when the hall is repaired and the dancing
    resumes, there is Canada , the wallflower still, while those she once helped
    Glamorously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her yet
    again.

    That is the price Canada pays for sharing the North American
    continent with the United States , and for being a selfless friend of Britain
    in two global conflicts. For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn
    in two different directions:
    It seemed to be a part of the old world, yet had an address in the
    new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never
    fully got the gratitude it deserved. Yet its purely voluntary
    contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps
    the greatest of any democracy.

    Almost 10% of Canada 's entire population of seven million people
    served in the armed forces during the First World War, and nearly 60,000
    died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian
    troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of
    battle.

    Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect,
    it's unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular Memory
    as somehow or other the work of the "British."

    The Second World War provided a re-run. The Canadian navy began the
    war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing nearly half of the
    Atlantic against U-boat attack. More than 120 Canadian warships
    participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian
    soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone. Canada finished the war with the
    third-largest navy and the fourth-largest air force in the world.
    The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had
    the previous time. Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in
    film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a
    campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated - a
    touching scrupulousness which, of course, Hollywood has since
    abandoned, as it has any notion of a separate Canadian identity.

    So it is a general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in
    Hollywood keep their nationality - unless, that is, they are Canadian. Thus
    Mary Pickford, Walter Huston, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, William
    Shatner, Norman Jewison, David Cronenberg, Alex Trebek, Art
    Linkletter and Dan Aykroyd have in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plummer, British.

    It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous, a Canadian ceases to
    be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is
    as unshakably Canadian as a moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada
    has proved quite unable to find any takers.

    Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the
    achievements of it's sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely
    unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves - and are unheard by anyone else - that 1% of the world's population has provided 10% of
    the world's peacekeeping forces. Canadian soldiers in the past half
    century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth - in 39 missions on UN
    mandates, and six on non-UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia .

    Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular
    on-Canadian imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia , in which out-of-control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their regiment was then disbanded in disgrace - a uniquely Canadian act of self-abasement for which, naturally, the Canadians received no international credit.

    So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless
    friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan? Rather like Cyrano de Bergerac , Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of being thanked for it, it remains something of a figure of fun.

    It is the Canadian way, for which Canadians should be proud, yet such
    honour comes at a high cost. This past year more grieving Canadian
    families knew that cost all too tragically well.

    *********************
    Please pass this on to any of your friends or relatives who served in
    the Canadian Forces or anyone who is proud to be Canadian; it is a
    wonderful tribute to those who choose to serve their country and the world in
    our quiet Canadian way
    "A mother understands what a child does not say."
    --Jewish proverb

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    if you didn't want to point fingers, you could have just titled this 'interesting article on Canadian military'


    very interesting read. wonder why Canada's accomplishments and assistance doesn't get talked about more?
    but i always hear many of those actors talk about being Canadian.
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    Thanks for posting this, Bev.

    IMO, Americans in general tend to be oblivious to the happenings outside our borders unless it's put in our faces via tv, newspapers, etc. Blair spends a lot of time shaking our president's hand for the camera and doing press conferences with him and makes speeches in support of Bush (which obviously get aired here). Canada doesn't do that, so I can see the wallflower analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnW
    if you didn't want to point fingers, you could have just titled this 'interesting article on Canadian military'


    very interesting read. wonder why Canada's accomplishments and assistance doesn't get talked about more?
    but i always hear many of those actors talk about being Canadian.
    LOL...what I wanted to point out was the ignorance to Canada's involvement...via your previous post, totally no offense intended. By the way the article reads, it's no wonder that people aren't aware of our involvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey
    IMO, Americans in general tend to be oblivious to the happenings outside our borders unless it's put in our faces via tv, newspapers, .

    how else would we know what is going on in other countries if not via tv, newspapers, ect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnW
    how else would we know what is going on in other countries if not via tv, newspapers, ect?
    True that, but first it has to be "put in our faces"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BevJ
    True that, but first it has to be "put in our faces"
    That is true, isn't it? It's rare now for a person to go *seeking* that type of information.

    I lament the fact that I am not more knowledgeable about political and current events, but I have a hard time trusting the sources available so I rely on dh a lot to keep me updated.
    Today is a new day and a good day to start anew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BevJ
    True that, but first it has to be "put in our faces"

    Absolutely!

    was commenting on Mickey's post Americans in general tend to be oblivious to the happenings outside our borders unless it's put in our faces via tv, newspapers,

    don't know how we can be aware of something other than tv, newspapers, ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnW
    how else would we know what is going on in other countries if not via tv, newspapers, ect?
    Well, yes, but our coverage is limited to news that directly affects us. Other countries have online news sites (BBC, CBC, etc.) where you can go to find out what's happening in other countries, but Americans tend to stick with American media coverage.

    I've not seen Canadian news, but I've seen the news in Great Britain a lot (having lived there) and their coverage is much broader than ours--they cover news in America, Canada, Europe, Africa, Russia, China, Australia, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey
    Other countries have online news sites (BBC, CBC, etc.) where you can go to find out what's happening in other countries, but Americans tend to stick with American media coverage.

    .

    you mean like these?
    http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/index.html

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032507/
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    The sites listed above are American--I listed the sites I listed in response to your question asking where else we can get news from a different perspective. And I believe that the vast majority of Americans mostly stick with ABC, CBS, and NBC evening news on tv. (Sources that are more in our face.) Maybe it's not the case in Canada and other countries, but I do know first-hand that the BBC world news coverage (in the UK) is much broader than ours.
    Last edited by Mickey; 04-05-2007 at 05:15 PM.

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    I am not trying to be argumentative, Mickey. I was just trying to understand your point. You said that other countries have online sites where people could go look at world news. So do we. BBC is British, how is that different than Americans looking at American sources?

    or are you saying that Americans don't look past America and Europeans look at the whole world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnW
    I am not trying to be argumentative, Mickey. I was just trying to understand your point. You said that other countries have online sites where people could go look at world news. So do we. BBC is British, how is that different than Americans looking at American sources?

    or are you saying that Americans don't look past America and Europeans look at the whole world?
    I'm just saying that I don't think our coverage is as broad as other countries' coverage (at least not as broad as the UK, anyway). I imagine the British have a better handle on the happenings in Canada, for example, and the things in Bev's post would probably not be news to them.

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    ok




    (too short! LOL)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnW
    Absolutely!

    was commenting on Mickey's post Americans in general tend to be oblivious to the happenings outside our borders unless it's put in our faces via tv, newspapers,

    don't know how we can be aware of something other than tv, newspapers, ect.
    Oh Ann, lol...I know that's what you were commenting on...knowing that you get the information from tv, newspapers, etc. is one thing...I could get the paper every day and not read that stuff...unless it's "put in my face", kwim?

    Mickey, do your newspapers not have international news sections? Maybe it's because I live so close to the border but I can also get American news from American television stations (Buffalo) for instance. Heck, even the Canadian televised news have American/International news.
    Last edited by BevJ; 04-05-2007 at 06:52 PM.
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